November 22, 1969
(Satprem gives his pension to
Mother)
You give money just like that! But don't you need any?
No, no, Mother!
Here it's an abyss, money goes away like ...
I have something for next February: I "received" certain things
regarding money and what's going on there, in Delhi. [[Indira Gandhi has
just been expelled from the Congress by the syndicate of financiers. ]]
The government is shaky; so far, things are all right. Everything
tends towards the dissolution of the Congress, but that was foreseen and
willed. But then, the Congress president [[Nijalingappa. ]] is on one
side and the prime minister is on the other, each looking at the other
... Anyway, I think things will work out. But all that is mostly because
of money: the most powerful party against the present government,
against Indira, is that of financiers. They're furious. So then, in this
connection, I took up again what I had said long ago:
Money is not meant to make money,
money is
meant to prepare the earth for the new creation.
And I added this (it's already gone to Delhi): <442>
The men of finance and the businessmen have been
offered the possibility to collaborate with the future, but most of them
refuse, convinced that money is stronger than the future.
Thus, the future will crush them with its
irresistible power.
I wrote it in French before putting it into English, but in French, I
spoke directly to the financiers:
(translation)
To financiers and businessmen
You have been offered the possibility of
collaborating with the future, but you have thought that the power of
money is stronger than that of the future. And the future will crush you
with its irresistible power.
But that's a first version, I intend to rewrite it. In English, I put
most of them refuse ..."
The French is more combative.
A little too combative. Some have accepted to collaborate, so I
wouldn't like them to say I'm going on announcing catastrophes for them!
Yes, obviously, it's a bit threatening.
Yes, too threatening. We'll translate the English.
(Mother translates into French)
Now, something else. These days, I am writing a lot of notes
about children's education. I have been asked, "What should we do? ..."
Some children are wicked, with a wickedness ... really unbelievable
inventions, they [the teachers] don't know what to do. So I wrote a lot
of things, but among them, one, I think, is important:
"A child must cease to be wicked because he
learns to be ashamed of being wicked, not because he fears a punishment
....
That's the first step. Once he reaches it, then he can progress one
<443> more step and learn the happiness of being good, the joy of
being good. But that I didn't write.
"In the first case, he progresses; in the second
he goes down one rung in human consciousness.
"Fear is a degradation of human consciousness."
I think that's very important. Because EVERYWHERE, people are
convinced that punishment is what ... Horrible!
I get multitudes of questions of that sort - it's I who gives
them to me, and I write in her notebook. I don't know what she'll do
with it .... There are some things I'd like to revise; for instance,
sometimes I use slightly easier words for her to understand - we could
put the true word instead. But for that, I'd have to revise it.
I could see it, if you like?
But I dare not ask her! I don't know if she would give it to me. [[As
unbelievable as it may appear, Mother did not dare to ask her own
disciples, knowing the storms that would give rise to. Thus Satprem
could never recover the notes written by Mother. Even the words changed
by Mother herself were later reintroduced. ]]
***
Soon afterwards
What you said last time [on the supramental
Consciousness] might be used for "Notes on the Way"?
(Mother opens her eyes wide) I don't know ... I don't know.
I've just learned that others are beginning to feel. Do you know
Dr. V? He was the head of the hospital here for a long time. He got very
interested in A.R. [the healer], very interested, and I think that
hastened something in him, so that for a few nights he's had "phenomena"
which I've, myself had lots of times, but I knew what it was and wasn't
alarmed. But he's a doctor (!) and was a little alarmed. It's a sort of
discomfort with the heart - it can't be called a pain: it's a
discomfort, followed by intense perspiration. I had one this morning
again - maybe because I was trying to see what's going on in him (I was
told about it yesterday, and I tried to see if it was that). That may be
why I got that, I don't know. It may be because there was still
something ... <444>
I told you several times, the organs are "supported" in their
functioning by the forces of Nature, and in this process of
transformation, the forces of Nature are withdrawn and replaced with the
divine Presence. But you understand, there comes a moment when there is
a gap [between the old functioning and the new] - it may be
imperceptible, but still it has an effect; a moment comes when there is
an anguish. And then, some things are only partially transformed; so one
part, then another part, then yet another part are taken up in
succession, and since the heart is a very important thing, I am
convinced it takes place very slowly. As a result, one often experiences
the same thing, more or less strongly. The calmer one is, the more
trusting one is, the more one is in the true attitude, and the less
strong it is - the consequences are less strong. But still, there is a
consequence, and he was taken by surprise, he didn't know what it was.
But it interested me. What A.R. said, "To be entirely governed by
the divine Consciousness," appealed to him a lot, it's an approach he
understood. He must have tried, and that's the result. I saw other
people who had pains, but that one is more "alarming." Others have pains
here or there or ... but when it touches the heart, people start being
more alarmed. But in several cases, I saw that this Force doesn't act
only here [in Mother]: it acts in others. And always, always, the moment
of transition (it may be very brief, or it may take some time) is a bit
... difficult. One needs to be forewarned.
I've seen that everywhere: the moment of transition in other
functionings is sometimes unpleasant, but not so alarming; there [with
the heart], people are generally ... they're a bit scared! He is a very
strong man, he wasn't afraid; he sent me a line asking me, if this was
the sign that he must go, to prepare him to go as he should.
But that has happened to me any number of times. If one isn't
afraid, it's nothing.
(Sujata:) Mother, why does it happen at night,
most of the time?
Because one is lying down!
(Satprem to Sujata:) Have you felt something
at night? <445>
(Sujata:) Last night I had the same thing, and I
perspired.
Because at night, you're resting and passive, that is to say, more
receptive. During the day, one is more active, less receptive.
Trust, you know: being aware that it's a higher intervention -
trust first of all. Then, perfect surrender: "What You will" - let the
body, in full sincerity, be ready for anything. And then, that sort of
perfect peace that comes from surrender: one is like this (Mother opens
her arms). Those are the best conditions.
One should avoid emotions and all those things.
But the more sincere one is - the more sincere the body is - the
more it's truly ready for anything: it has given itself entirely and ...
what will happen will happen, that's all. And it's really like this:
"What You WILL, what You will I shall do, whatever it may be - I am not
even asking to know." Then it's in peace and things go fast enough.
Anxiety brings about a vibration which isn't good.
(silence)
That's how it is, one thing and another, one thing and another
... But then, there's the old way which is less and less strong, and the
new which is stronger and stronger. In other words, the one is the
whole sense and consciousness of instability, uncertainty, fragility
-impermanence (it's really something devoid of any true solidity); while
the other is the sense of Permanence (Mother stretches out her arms)
and ... progression without fall, like that, in something that's vast
and ... such a powerful movement that it's immobile, giving a sense of
immobility So one is like this (gesture of swinging from one state to
the other).
This morning, I remembered what I told you last Wednesday (not
remembered what I said: remembered the STATE I told you about). And
then, the body was like this (gesture of intense aspiration), oh,
saying, "This Consciousness, this Consciousness, this Consciousness ..."
It wanted it, you know, intensely, and there was such a clear
perception of what prevents it from being there .... What prevents is a
"concentric" vibration, a sort of concentric vibration, meaning that
instead of being like this (Mother opens her arms), in an infinite
Eternity, things are seen in relation to oneself. That's what prevents.
(silence) <446>
One must really reach the state in which ... one doesn't care
about living and one doesn't care about not living: absolutely
indifferent - it's not indifference, it's a ... what should I call it? A
peaceful and ... unquestioning acceptance. And above all, above all, no
alarm.
You see, the movement of surrender is a preliminary movement (the
movement of surrender is total and constant), well, it's a preliminary
movement; there's another movement in which one no longer has anything
to surrender! It's like that, it's quite natural.
(silence)
I see lots and lots of people, and the body notices that even
those with the best goodwill don't understand - a total and general
incomprehension of the condition it is in.
And then, some really amusing things all the time, all the time,
every minute .... For an extremely long time it hasn't felt offended
anymore, an extremely long time, but there was still a time when it
would see, perceive incomprehension as a ridiculous thing or ... an
ignorance. Now that's over. Now ... For a long time, every time it used
to ask, "Ah! What do You want me to learn?" Now that too is past.
Because as soon as something comes (what Sri Aurobindo called the old
man), something left from the old personality, which shows up like that,
the body doesn't need anything to see the truth instantly: it appears
profoundly ridiculous.
***
Soon afterwards
Did you have something to ask? ... Nothing to say? ... No? ...
What? (Mother laughs)
I was wondering about what you told me some
two weeks ago. You spoke about writing a new book. And you said it
should "crystallize the next step, the intermediary ..."
Yes.
I was wondering in what direction that book
should be: would it be a book about you, as I wrote the Adventure about
Sri Aurobindo? <447>
Oh, no, not about me! Please, it makes my work so much more
complicated when people think of me.
So would it be simply a sequel to the
"Adventure of Consciousness," but more developed? What should it be?
If it could be a vision of what will be - I would like you to have
that. A vision of the next step.
Very far ahead, one does see the possibility (as you yourself
said) of a "materialization," but between now and then, there is
something .... Lately I've discovered a great deal of things while
looking in that direction. I saw (I don't know if I noted that, I think I
forgot to write it), I saw that with most people who have children
almost without wanting it, "just like that," for them it's a sort of ...
(naturally, many women desire to have children, but without even
knowing what it means), for the VAST majority of educated people, that
is to say, whose heads have been stuffed full of ideas about the faults
one mustn't have, the qualities one must have and so on, all that they
repressed in their beings, all the bad, pernicious instincts, it all
comes out [in the child]. I remembered (I observed and saw), I
remembered something I read very, very long ago; I think it was by
Renan, he wrote somewhere that one should beware of parents who are good
and very respectable, because ... (laughing) birth is a "purge"! And he
also said: observe carefully the children of bad people, because those
often are a reaction! So then, after that, after my experience, when I
saw, I said to myself, "But that man was right!" For people, it's a way
of purging themselves. They throw out of themselves all that they don't
want. There are some children here ... horrid! And that's it, you
wonder, "How come? Their parents are very good people ...." It's very
interesting, because it gives the KEY of what should be done - by
showing you what shouldn't be done, it gives you the key of what should
be done.
In that case, this "prenatal education" Y speaks of isn't a
falsehood after all. It's something that may be true.
The children, those who are a few months old (as I said, those
who were born in Auroville) are remarkable-they're remarkable. I thought
it was just one case, but in all those I've seen till now, all of them,
a concentration of consciousness.
That little Tamil was a marvel.
So in sum, what should be written is the
making or the preparation of the Superman? <448>
Yes, yes, exactly Exactly Have you seen this (Mother points to the
just released booklet, "The Great Sense")? This is going to be very
useful - so a sequel to it, you understand?
Yes, but still in the form of a book?
Yes, yes.
The development of consciousness that leads to
...
A book ... it could be a story, that I don't know. But then people
wouldn't take it so seriously!
It would be the same genre as the "Adventure
of Consciousness"?
Ah, you know, it's a growing success.
Yes, my publisher wrote to me; he says it's
picking up and wants to reprint it.
Ah!
He writes, "The press hasn't said a word about
your book, yet it's selling well!"
It's not the press! (Laughing) It's the consciousness! Ah, no, your
publishing fellow must understand that it doesn't belong to the past,
that all the methods of the past have become worthless.
In America, the book has a tremendous success.
Yes, one feels quite evidently the
consciousness that's behind this book and touches people, because all of
them have the same reaction: all of them, everywhere, at all levels,
the more intellectual as much as the less intellectual.
Yes, as in A.R.'s case, for instance.
On the other hand, the "Sannyasin" appears to
be lost .... [[The manuscript has been in Paris for a year. ]]
<449>
Lost?
I don't know.
You know, I'll tell you very frankly: it's very interesting, but it
made me sad.
Why?
Why I don't know.
The "Sannyasin"? What made you sad?
The book, what you read me .... It's very interesting, I was very
interested, I felt very comfortable, but then there was a sort of ...
it's something that puts you (I don't know why) in contact with the
whole part of the atmosphere that pulls you out of life - Buddhism and
all those things, the whole nihilism. It puts you in contact with that:
the flight out of life. And it's not intellectual, it's not the ideas,
not the words, not the facts, it's ... What is it? I wondered a few
times what made the book catch on to the nihilist atmosphere of
Buddhism? That's what would explain ... It's not that people don't like
it, but ... it's a non-creative force that acts. Why? I don't know.
But what this book tried to say, to show, is
in fact the transition beyond that.
Yes, but ... Perhaps people aren't ready? Now, I didn't read it in
full, so I can't know. You only read me a few passages. But it's not so
much the words, you understand, it was the vision.
But since I read you those passages, I rewrote
it. I wrote the book again after I read it to you.
You didn't show it to me, that's it. But when F took it up, I for one
felt it was going to succeed. [[It will take another four years, then
for some fifteen years this unfortunate Sannyasin will fall victim to an
unscrupulous Indian "publisher" who will use Auroville's name as a
cover for his own affairs. ]]
Ah, then we just have to wait.
<450>
(long silence)
Don't you feel in you the soul of a prophet?
I feel in me the soul I'm given!
(Mother laughs) I'd like a beautiful prophetic book.
It's there somewhere: what's going to take place here is ALREADY
there somewhere. It's not in a region where one "sees," it's ...
(gesture showing the world of consciousness).
My impression is that you can write it.
(Satprem opens his hands)
We'll see.
I'll try to put myself in the atmosphere.
Yes - no! I've just seen: it's all right! (Mother laughs)
