September 25, 1965
(Following the Security Council's ultimatum, India accepted the cease-fire as of September 22.)
So you were right, in the end!
I was right ... on what?... Ah, your message to Delhi: "India must fight."
Yes.
Oh, they don't understand anything. It's a disgusting sight.
And as false as can be: they keep on fighting, only they are pretending not to.
They are all so pleased with what they've done, they are chortling with glee.
No, they're not pleased.
You think not?
Yes, I know!
It reminds me of 1939, Chamberlain coming back from Munich: "Peace in our time"!
Yes, exactly.
But at the U.N., they are chortling with glee, they're very proud of themselves [for the cease-fire]. But here, they aren't glad.
They are especially furious at Britain.[[The British government and press (the American press, too) have been outrageously anti-Indian.]]
Oh, those British ...
Yes, and they are going to leave the Commonwealth.
That would be a good thing.
(Laughing) Yes, and about time!
The Russians have called on Shastri and the Pakistan man [Ayub Khan] to meet in Russia [in Tashkent], and it seems they have agreed with the Americans (the Russians with the Americans) on permanently separating Britain from Pakistan and China from India. They want to take steps to permanently prevent China and Britain from intervening in affairs here. They have means of coercing them, it appears.
Naturally, if Russia and America join together ... So they have called Shastri and Ayub, and they are going - they are going there. So perhaps we are going to see something interesting.
The rapprochement between Russia and America is something I have been working on for years. I thought I had succeeded, when Kennedy was assassinated; and at the time, Khrushchev was well- disposed - both gone! One is assassinated, the other dismissed.
Now we'll see.
If nothing comes in the way, there may be something interesting.
But one doesn't see any solution other than military. The problem must be solved, mustn't it?
There could be the solution of Pakistan becoming a part of India again.
Yes, but that's not possible unless they are swallowed up.
They may come to it without being forced. This fellow [Ayub Khan] is impossible.
Oh, yes, he is impossible.
Yes, but he isn't immortal.
The mentality there will be hard to change. The Indians have missed the opportunity.
Yes. Ah, yes, this was the opportunity.
But it's not their fault: it's the fault of the United Nations; and the United Nations has acted from a single motive, because they were dreadfully scared of a general war - of course, this blocks the vision.
We'll see.
But I believe in Kali, Mother. My only hope now is really in Kali: Kali's force striking. I can't imagine any other possibility.
(Silence) This man who is heading Pakistan doesn't represent the whole of Pakistan. There is a whole part of Pakistan that favors union with India.
Really?
A large part.
And there's nothing to say that if they feel protected, helped and supported, in fact by Russia and America, they won't push for reunion. With masses, you know, it's only a question of a current of thought: it's not reflection, not reasoning, just a current of thought.
I don't know, we shall see.
(Mother holds out a hibiscus to Satprem) Here is a monumental "Grace," there are almost two together.
(silence)
(Following the Security Council's ultimatum, India accepted the cease-fire as of September 22.)
So you were right, in the end!
I was right ... on what?... Ah, your message to Delhi: "India must fight."
Yes.
Oh, they don't understand anything. It's a disgusting sight.
And as false as can be: they keep on fighting, only they are pretending not to.
They are all so pleased with what they've done, they are chortling with glee.
No, they're not pleased.
You think not?
Yes, I know!
It reminds me of 1939, Chamberlain coming back from Munich: "Peace in our time"!
Yes, exactly.
But at the U.N., they are chortling with glee, they're very proud of themselves [for the cease-fire]. But here, they aren't glad.
They are especially furious at Britain.[[The British government and press (the American press, too) have been outrageously anti-Indian.]]
Oh, those British ...
Yes, and they are going to leave the Commonwealth.
That would be a good thing.
(Laughing) Yes, and about time!
The Russians have called on Shastri and the Pakistan man [Ayub Khan] to meet in Russia [in Tashkent], and it seems they have agreed with the Americans (the Russians with the Americans) on permanently separating Britain from Pakistan and China from India. They want to take steps to permanently prevent China and Britain from intervening in affairs here. They have means of coercing them, it appears.
Naturally, if Russia and America join together ... So they have called Shastri and Ayub, and they are going - they are going there. So perhaps we are going to see something interesting.
The rapprochement between Russia and America is something I have been working on for years. I thought I had succeeded, when Kennedy was assassinated; and at the time, Khrushchev was well- disposed - both gone! One is assassinated, the other dismissed.
Now we'll see.
If nothing comes in the way, there may be something interesting.
But one doesn't see any solution other than military. The problem must be solved, mustn't it?
There could be the solution of Pakistan becoming a part of India again.
Yes, but that's not possible unless they are swallowed up.
They may come to it without being forced. This fellow [Ayub Khan] is impossible.
Oh, yes, he is impossible.
Yes, but he isn't immortal.
The mentality there will be hard to change. The Indians have missed the opportunity.
Yes. Ah, yes, this was the opportunity.
But it's not their fault: it's the fault of the United Nations; and the United Nations has acted from a single motive, because they were dreadfully scared of a general war - of course, this blocks the vision.
We'll see.
But I believe in Kali, Mother. My only hope now is really in Kali: Kali's force striking. I can't imagine any other possibility.
(Silence) This man who is heading Pakistan doesn't represent the whole of Pakistan. There is a whole part of Pakistan that favors union with India.
Really?
A large part.
And there's nothing to say that if they feel protected, helped and supported, in fact by Russia and America, they won't push for reunion. With masses, you know, it's only a question of a current of thought: it's not reflection, not reasoning, just a current of thought.
I don't know, we shall see.
(Mother holds out a hibiscus to Satprem) Here is a monumental "Grace," there are almost two together.
(silence)
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