September 27, 1969
(A.R., the healer, enters; Mother
gives him a red rose.)
(A.R.:) Thank you ... I come to you as a child
thirsting and hungering for Truth, Justice, and the Knowledge of
spiritual laws. Please give me this nourishment that is the knowledge of
the laws, so I may serve the Divine in the most perfect universal
Harmony.
(silence)
(To Satprem:) Did you tell him that I don't speak?
(Satprem to A.R.:) Mother doesn't speak.
If he has something to say, he can do so.
(Satprem:) What is the central question that
preoccupies you?
(A.R.:) The central question ... The central
question for me, with regard to past experiences, is to understand the
Law - to understand it perfectly, not imperfectly, that is, not
empirically, so that by fulfilling the conditions of the Law, we may
re-create the same phenomena.
<351>
(Satprem:) You spoke of a "block" somewhere?
(A.R.:) Yes, exactly, the block is just that ....
Ill give an image: when you know a law perfectly, you can't be in breach
of the law; but if you know it imperfectly, you risk a fine at any
moment.
(Satprem:) Mother, it's the knowledge of the Law
that he would like to have, so as not to make any mistake.
But I don't know any "law"! ... I don't know what he calls the "law" -
I don't know any laws.
(Satprem to A.R.:) What do you call the "law"?
(A.R.:) The Law ... I think that if in deep
meditation one realizes union with the Divine according to the right
rules, every time you have the same meditation for the same cause, you
must certainly obtain the same result.
In the manifestation, no two minutes are alike, it's a continuous
movement; so when you come into contact with the Divine, what you
collaborate with is the Truth of that Movement. That's probably what he
calls "the Law."
(A.R.:) That's right.
In the manifestation, it's the Consciousness that expresses itself.
And if you identify with it, this Supreme Consciousness, this Divine
Consciousness is what makes you act. But as I understand it, the "law"
he refers to is a mentalization of this Movement, and that's not
necessary - what's necessary is the IDENTIFICATION of the consciousness
.... It's a question of words.
(A.R.:) Exactly, I fully agree with Mother.
But the problem remains in spite of this explanation. The question mark
subsists, because, of course, I've had numerous opportunities to
experiment with it - it's something I frequently realize-and yet the
results are different, I mean that one doesn't get the result one
<352> might have hoped for, which seems (I say, seems) really
normal in the circumstances.
(Satprem to A.R.:) You mean, when you want to cure
someone?
(A.R.:) Yes, that's it.
(Satprem to Mother:) Mother, he says that when he
wants to heal, for instance, there aren't two systems, there's only one:
he goes into a deep, intimate communion with the Divine, and lets That
come through ....
Yes, that's right.
(Satprem:) So he wonders why, in certain
cases, the result isn't obtained?
But that's because on the supreme level it's decided that it
shouldn't be obtained! It's a partial consciousness that has the idea
that whatever he does, the result should always be the same, but it's
not like that!
(Satprem to A.R.:) Yes, it's not like that.
It's a partial consciousness that tells you there must be a result, but
in the total Consciousness ...
(A.R.:) I had always taken it like that too, but I
wanted a confirmation of it.
(Satprem to Mother:) That's how he had taken it,
but he wanted a confirmation. Because, for example, he has the case of a
man whom he knows intimately and who has become a paralytic. He put all
his heart into curing him, and he says he feels the Forces entering
this man, he finds him receptive ...
But he isn't cured.
(Satprem:) He isn't cured. He has even given
me the photo of the man, and he'd like to understand why, in this
instance, he doesn't get cured.
(Mother looks at the photo) <353>
Does this man have faith?
(A.R.:) Well, in the beginning he didn't, but
his faith has been growing.
It's because for everyone, what happens is the BEST thing to lead his
individuality towards the goal - the goal of consciousness - and if he
has faith, the action takes place in an even more precise way, and, we
might say, even more rapidly. So in this case, it would mean that his
paralysis helps him go faster towards his goal.
(A.R.:) Thank you.
(meditation)
Has he anything to ask?
(A.R.:) Yes, Id like to ask if you think it's
good to carry on with this path of healing?
Oh, yes!
(A.R.:) Do you think it's a momentary
limitation?
It's not a limitation, even the pettiest work isn't a limitation!
It's only a means of expression; but it doesn't limit the possibility,
that is to say, if one is capable of doing a general Work, it goes on
CONSTANTLY, without a material occupation. I mean that the real Work is
done like this (radiating gesture), in silence.
(A.R.:) Thank you.
(Mother gives a photo and A.R. leaves)
I don't know ... since the day before yesterday, when I saw him,
the whole body has been very, very much shaken. I mean, difficult to
eat, all kinds of things .... I feel it's an acceleration of the Work,
but ... There's a strange (what should I call it?) ... fatigue. You see,
I never used to use my head, it was always full of Light, and I could
do anything without getting tired - but it's as if this Light within
(Mother points to her head) had gone. So the head is painful. It's
empty, it hurts. And ... I don't know ... maybe it's an acceleration
<354> of the transformation - that's how I TAKE it, you understand
- but it's difficult.
He speaks of it, too, he speaks of this
transformation "from the tips of the toes to the roots of the hair," as
he says, and he wants it to go fast.
Yes, it must be that.
(Mother goes into a meditation)
And how are you?
I am better now than before.
Ah, better ... It did you good?
To the body, yes. I don't know, when my body
is near him, it's full of energy ... But this man is fine, Mother, isn't
he?
I don't know how to put it .... My only contact with him is a
receptivity: he takes and takes and takes, absorbs and absorbs and
absorbs ....
But I don't at all feel that he draws anything from here (Mother
points to her body or to herself), it's ... I might say there's the
Presence (vast gesture everywhere), and so it's all the time like that.
But what I am wondering about is why my body is in this state? ... I
told you, I WANT to take it like that, as an acceleration of the work,
and it seems to be true, but ... it's very difficult. You see, for
months and months and months, the work never used to tire me; now, all
of a sudden, I'll feel exhausted - the body It has difficulty eating,
and a constant impression ... of nausea. At the same time, if I
concentrate and am careful, I feel the Presence as usual. But as I said,
all this (Mother points to her head) is empty - almost painfully empty.
(silence)
Not at all, not at all the sensation of something that shouldn't
be here or that I should reject - absolutely not. The consciousness is
like this (immutable gesture). So I say to myself that it may be that
instead of following this body's natural rhythm, the Movement is
hastened. <355>
When I asked him your question, whether seeing
you made a difference between before and after, he added this (with
great simplicity, moreover): "It must make a difference for Mother too.
(after a silence)
I constantly feel nauseous, which points to the insufficiency of
material forces.
But that's strange, because in my case, when
my body is near him, it's full of energy.
Yes, that's right, and that's why I am asking you. So it would really
be a hastening in the work of transformation.
To such a point that the first time, I had so
much energy that I didn't sleep all night!
Yes ... I don't know ... it must be that.
(Mother remains "pensive") <356>
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